To Make A Lumber Pye
From the treasured pages of English cookery and medicine book,
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To Make A Lumber Pye
"Take a Pound of lean veal, with a pound of Beefe Suet, shre'd very fine, then season it with cloves, mace Salt, a few Sweethearbs, & a very little Bamon shread fine 1 Raw egg, 3 Spoonfulls of grated whitebread, out of wch Cinamon, a very little pepper beat fine, 8 Ounces of Currance, mix all these green it with Spinadge Juice, then make it up in Balls, as big as a little walnut 2 veal sweetbreads in bits, and Seasoned lightly with Spice as aforesaid, preserved Cittorn, Eringo root, damsons, & pruellas, & Barbariss of each 2 ounces, 4 slics of Eggs boild hard & Quatred 10 ounces of Marrow, 6 Slics of a Rinded Lemon, Butter the bottom of the Pye, then put all in one with the other, put a pound of fresh Butter on the top lid, And bake it, then put in a lear made as for ye chicken pye, & Serve it hott"
Note on the Original Text
Seventeenth-century English recipes like this one are written as narrative instructions, often assuming a high level of prior kitchen knowledge. Ingredients and steps are listed in order, but with minimal explicit instruction. Quantities are frequently approximate, reflecting the practical, hands-on experience expected of the cook. Spelling and terminology vary—'Bamon' for bacon, 'pruellas' possibly for prunes, 'cittorn' for citron. The lack of punctuation and use of ampersands (&) in place of 'and' are typical for manuscript cookery books of the period, as is the seamless blending of ingredients and methods in one long sentence. Modern cooks must interpret and adjust these recipes for clear measurement and sequence.

Title
English cookery and medicine book, (1694)
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Writer
Unknown
Era
1694
Publisher
Unknown
Background
A delightful journey through late 17th to early 18th-century kitchens, this tome features recipes, culinary wisdom, and mouthwatering secrets from an era where feasts reigned supreme and the art of cooking was celebrated with flourish.
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Folger Shakespeare Library
This pie recipe hails from an English household manuscript compiled between 1677 and 1711, a time when elaborate meat pies were centerpieces for festive and elite dining tables. 'Lumber pie' reflects a fascination with complex, layered flavors, blending savory meats with sweet spices and candied fruits—a culinary signature of late 17th-century England. Such pies showcased the cook's skill and the host's wealth, with ingredients such as veal, marrow, and preserved fruits indicating high status. The recipe also preserves a culinary tradition from an age when pies were as much about spectacle as about nourishment and speaks to the mingling of medieval and early modern tastes. The presence of sweetmeats and rich butters would have delighted guests during grand feasts or holiday celebrations.

Cooks would have used a heavy chopping or mincing knife for the veal and suet, a wooden trencher, and a sturdy mortar and pestle for grinding spices. Eggs would be boiled in a brass pan over an open hearth, and all mixing was done by hand in large earthenware or wooden bowls. The pie would be assembled in a deep ceramic or pewter pie dish, the lid hand-rolled with a wooden pin, and the pie baked in a wood-fired brick oven. A strainer (sieve) might be used to extract spinach juice, while a ladle would finish the pie with hot gravy.
Prep Time
1 hr 20 mins
Cook Time
1 hr
Servings
10
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Ingredients
- Lean veal, minced – 1 lb
- Beef suet, finely chopped – 1 lb
- Ground cloves – pinch
- Ground mace – pinch
- Fine sea salt – as needed
- Fresh sweet herbs (parsley, thyme), chopped – small handful
- Cured bacon, diced – 1 oz
- Raw egg – 1
- Grated white bread – 1 oz (approx. 3 tbsp)
- Ground cinnamon – pinch
- Ground black pepper – small pinch
- Dried currants – 8 oz
- Spinach juice – 1 fl oz (2 tbsp)
- Veal sweetbreads, cubed – 2 (sub: chicken liver)
- Candied citron – 2 oz
- Candied eryngo root (sub: candied angelica) – 2 oz
- Preserved damsons (sub: prunes) – 2 oz
- Dried prunes – 2 oz
- Barberries (sub: dried cranberries) – 2 oz
- Eggs, hard-boiled – 4
- Beef bone marrow, sliced (sub: unsalted butter) – 10 oz
- Whole lemon, thinly sliced (with rind) – 1
- Fresh unsalted butter – 1 lb
- Shortcrust pastry (for the pie lid) – enough to cover pie
- Rich chicken-broth-based gravy (for finishing) – 1 cup
Instructions
- Begin by finely mincing 1 pound of lean veal and 1 pound of beef suet.
- Season with a pinch each of ground cloves, mace, fine sea salt, and a selection of finely chopped fresh sweet herbs such as parsley and thyme.
- Add about 1 ounce of finely diced cured bacon.
- Beat in 1 raw egg and mix in three heaping tablespoons (around 1 ounce) of grated white bread.
- Stir in a pinch of ground cinnamon and a little finely ground black pepper, then fold in 8 ounces of dried currants.
- To achieve the signature 'green' hue, mix in a splash (about 2 tablespoons/1 fluid ounce) of spinach juice, extracted by blitzing fresh spinach and squeezing out the liquid.
- Shape the mixture into walnut-sized balls.
- Separately, cube about 2 veal sweetbreads (if unavailable, use chicken liver or another mild offal), seasoning lightly with the same blend of spices and herbs.
- Prepare candied citron, candied eryngo root (substitute with candied angelica if necessary), preserved damsons (or prunes if damsons are unavailable), dried prunes, and barberries (or dried cranberries as a substitute), using about 2 ounces of each.
- Cut 4 hard-boiled eggs into quarters.
- Thinly slice 10 ounces of beef bone marrow (or substitute with extra unsalted butter) and slice 6 thin rounds of a whole lemon, including zest and rind.
- Butter the bottom of a deep pie dish, then layer all the ingredients, distributing them evenly.
- Top with about 1 pound of fresh unsalted butter, cover with a sturdy pastry lid, and bake at 350°F until golden and bubbling (about 1 hour).
- Once baked, pour into the pie a rich savory 'lear' (gravy) made as for a classic chicken pie (usually a broth finished with cream, thickened with egg yolk), and serve hot.
Estimated Calories
1150 per serving
Cooking Estimates
Preparing and assembling this traditional pie takes some time, since you need to chop, mince, and mix several ingredients, and layer everything before baking. The baking itself is hands-off and takes about an hour. Each serving is rich and filling, with plenty of meat, butter, dried fruit, and pastry, so it is quite high in calories.
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